Paulinho da Viola: “I’m a 19th century man, I don’t really know what I’m doing here”

Paulinho da Viola: “I’m a 19th century man, I don’t really know what I’m doing here”


Sambista who will be the attraction of the Mime Festival regrets the departure of Rita Lee, says that even the samba has its offenders and reveals one of the most important albums of his life: ‘The Prophet’, by Thelonious Monk

It was the sad afternoon of Wednesday the 10th, after Rita Lee’s funeralWhen Paulinus of Viola he answered the phone from his home in Rio de Janeiro. The call was and was for an interview about her coming to Sao Paulo next Sunday, Mother’s Day, when she will perform as the main attraction at the closing Mimo festival. A show that will be generous, free, in the pleasant Parque Villa Lobos, and that will count on the participation of her talented daughter, Beatrice Rabello. But Rita, the “queen of rock”, was present from the beginning of the conversation with the “prince of samba”. “I was watching the footage on TV, so sad we lost someone like her.”

Territorial borders should not be respected when talking about certain names, suggests Paulinho. And even samba and rock, two genres that have always been monarchized, face little danger when they elect their kings and swear by their queens. Rita would be the queen of rock for who? “Look, apparently we grew up in different universes, she in rock and I in samba, but this doesn’t seem true to me. In 1992, in the same Ibirapuera park, where it was veiled, we played a great show, with Caetano, Jorge Ben, João Gilberto and you, Rita. It was very interesting, nothing seemed to separate these people.” Paulinho’s speech becomes unbearable because it is also irresistible. “She was the transgressive they say, but in the best sense of the word. And I love that record by Tutti Frutti”.

The conversation about Rita has to end somehow before we can talk about the show. But, wait a second: did you say Tutti Frutti? “Yeah, I love that record.” The album is Fruto Proibido, from the post-Mutantes phase, which includes Esse Tal de Roque Enrow, Agora só Fácil Você and Ovelha Negra. “So you like the most rock and roll Rita of all?” “Yes” she says “Or rather, I like that too”.

Is being transgressive a charm granted to rockers but condemned in the world of samba, which carries tons of past on its shoulders? “No,” says the sambist. “Samba was and can be transgressive too. João da Baiana, Donga, Garoto, Radamés, Laércio de Freitas, Esmeraldino Salles, Valdir Azevedo, Canhoto da Paraíba, Pixinguinha, Lupércio Miranda, all these people were transgressors in the language of the choro.” And Paulinho da Viola?

Invited to reflect on his own transgressions, and could cite, for example, the daring construction of harmony in Sinal Fechado, from 1969, Paulinho grasps the past’s emergency exit: “Look, I’m a man of the 19th century, I don’t I know what I’m doing here, I’m not good with cell phones, I don’t understand these royalties, which no longer pay like they used to, I don’t know how to deal with this matter of releasing one song at a time on Spotify”. And smile.

Rita’s name is no longer there, but her spirit does not move, and it is he who raises the next other question: “Many defend the genetic legitimacy of those who represent certain musical genres. In other words: if you are Brazilian, don’t you dare sing rock. If you’re an American, don’t you dare play the choir. Where are you at?” “I would never make a fuss about it. One time, in 1986, I went to Japan with only tambourine player Celsinho Silva. The other players would be all Japanese. And they were amazing performances.”

A new portal in his memories takes us to Recife, at the end of the 60s, when Paulinho went to make his first presentation in the city. “There was a Swiss in the same inn where they put me, very modest, in the Cordeiro neighborhood” (impressive how he remembers everything). “He loved listening to jazz on a record player and that’s how I discovered one of the most extraordinary albums of my life. The Prophet, by pianist Thelonious Monk. You can’t imagine how much he moved me.”

Turning 80 gives Paulinho the right to do what he wants, how he wants, when he wants. New album? “I have some compositions, but I don’t yet know the best way to release them. I don’t know how to approach this whole thing of releasing one song at a time.” Wood processing? (What he has at home and where he spends most of his time setting things up)? “He’s been somewhat disabled by the pandemic.” So, retirement? “Now that I can’t stop anyway” (laughs). “I don’t think I’ll stop doing shows or anything like that. I’ll keep going as long as I can. Of course there is more wear and tear to taking planes, even using the priority queue. The problem is that there are now more people in the priority queue than in the priority queue. normal.” And the mime show? “I’m taking Beatriz. It will be beautiful.”

SHOWS

FRIDAY

18:00 – ARENA B3

MANUEL DE OLIVEIRA (PORTUGAL)

21:00 – MASP – GREAT AUDITORIUM

NICO SORIN PIAZZOLLA ELECTRONIC (ARGENTINA)

13.05 SATURDAY

12:00 – ARENA B3

KIKO DINUCCI – PART. JUÇARA MARÇAL (BRAZIL)

2.30 pm – VILLA-LOBOS PARK

DJ MARINA LOPES (BRAZIL)

15:00 – VILLA-LOBOS PARK

ARNALDO ANTUNES + VITOR ARAÚJO (BRAZIL)

16:30 – VILLA-LOBOS PARK

PRINCE FATTY INVITE MONKEY JHAYAM & SHNIECE (BRAZIL/ENGLAND)

6 PM – VILLA-LOBOS PARK

LAKECIA BENJAMIN (USA)

19:00 – VILLA-LOBOS PARK

DON LETTS DJ SET (ENGLAND)

20:30 – VILLA-LOBOS PARK

JUPITER AND OKWESS (CONGO)

14.05 SUNDAY

2.30 pm – VILLA-LOBOS PARK

DJ MARINA LOPES (BRAZIL)

15:30 – VILLA-LOBOS PARK

LUCINHA TURNBULL (BRAZIL)

17:00 – VILLA-LOBOS PARK

MARIO LUCIO AND THE KRIOLS (CABO VERDE/PORTUGAL)

18:30 – VILLA-LOBOS PARK

PAULINHO DA VIOLA (BRAZIL)

WORKSHOPS

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THE CLASSES ARE SUBJECT TO THE CAPACITY AND CAPACITY OF THE SPACES.

12.05 FRIDAY

2.00 pm – MASP – GREAT AUDITORIUM

PRINCE FATTY (ENGLAND)

EXPLORING THE ORIGINS OF DUB

13.05 SATURDAY

10:00 – MASP – SMALL AUDITORIUM

MANUEL DE OLIVEIRA (PORTUGAL)

IBERIAN GUITAR – TERRITORY, IDENTITY AND INNOVATION

16:30 – MASP – SMALL AUDITORIUM

NICO SORIN (ARGENTINA)

THE CHALLENGE OF ADAPTING ASTOR PIAZZOLLA’S WORK TO DIFFERENT INSTRUMENTAL SETS

14.05 SUNDAY

2 PM – MASP – SMALL AUDITORIUM

LAKECIA BENJAMIN (USA)

A PORTRAIT OF THE NEW JAZZ

FORUM OF IDEAS

MEDIATOR: LUIZ THUNDERBIRD

12.05 FRIDAY

16:00 – MASP – GREAT AUDITORIUM

MARIO LUCIUS AND JUPITER (CABO VERDE/CONGO)

MIGRANTS OF YESTERDAY AND TODAY

13.05 SATURDAY

3 PM – MASP – SMALL AUDITORIUM

LUCINHA TURNBULL (BRAZIL)

THE WOMAN IN THAT ROCK AND ROLL

14.05 SUNDAY

4.30 pm – SÃO PAULO CULTURAL CENTER – PAULO EMÍLIO ROOM

DON LETTS (ENGLAND)

THE REBEL FEAR

FILM SHOW

SÃO PAULO CULTURAL CENTER – PAULO EMÍLIO ROOM

12.05 FRIDAY

17:00 – THE DIVAS OF TAGUERABT

DIRECTOR: KARIM MOUSSAOUI

DOC | 15mins | 2020 | FREE | FRANCE

MY AFRICA

DIRECTORS: RICHARD MINIER AND ÉDOUARD SALIER

DOC | 1H21 | 2019 | FREE | FRANCE

7 PM – É D’OXUM – THE FORCE THAT LIVES IN WATER

DIRECTOR: DAYANE SENA

DOC | 26mins | 2023 | FREE | BRAZIL/BA

MANGUEBIT

JURA CAPELA DIRECTOR

DOC | 1H41 | 2022 | 12 YEARS | BRAZIL/PE

13.05 SATURDAY

3pm – NEON GHOST

DIRECTOR: LEONARDO MARTINELLI

PUSSY | 20mins | 2021 | 12 YEARS | BRAZIL/RJ

Alan

DIRECTORS: DANIEL LISBOA AND DIEGO LISBOA

DOC | 1H32 | 2022 | 16 YEARS | BRAZIL/BA

17:00 – SUNDAY MORNING

DIRECTOR: BRUNO RIBEIRO

PUSSY | 25mins | 2022 | FREE | BRAZIL/RJ

DOM SALVADOR & ABOLITION

DIRECTORS: ARTUR RATTON KUMMER AND LILKA HARA

DOC | 1H28 | 2020 | FREE | BRAZIL/USA

19 – HLETRUX: LIVING IS FRENESI

DIRECTOR: MARCIO DEBELLIAN

DOC | 35mins | 2023 | 10 YEARS | BRAZIL/RJ

WHAT NEVER LOSES ME

DIRECTOR: MARINA THOME

DOC | 1H24 | 2021 | 12 YEARS | BRAZIL SP

14.05 SUNDAY

15:00 – REBEL FEAR

DIRECTOR: WILLIAM E. BADGLEY

DOC | 1H27 | 2020 | 12 YEARS | UK

RAIN OF POETRY

Source: Terra

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